UPDATE: December 7th, 2011: Unfortunately, not fixed. Back to popping noise. The issue with the unit's attachment to the base returned -- the lube must have worn out. Keep reading for details. What's worse, my requests from ProForm are ignored.
UPDATE: January, 2012: The BBB complaint yielded results (see other blogs). They shipped new parts and contacted a mechanic. Then they dropped the ball. Mechanic never made it out and I have not followed up. So, popping is still present. However, I am keeping the parts and will do the swap myself when I feel the need becomes greater. I found that actually doing the pre-programmed rides with LESS up/down is more enjoyable and causes less stress on me and the bike.
UPDATE: March 7, 2012: I've taken up jogging! Yeah, it's weird, we had a warm winter and I found I suddenly like running. The bike is helping me for two reasons: I am worried it will fall apart if I use it too much and it serves as a constant reminder that I should be doing something other than Call of Duty. The "worried about it falling apart" is that it's feeling a little loose around the gearing. Pedals developed some slack in them, and it feels a little wobbly. Mind you, I've put less than a 100 miles on this thing. However, the jogging thing is a nice surprise. I am becoming a big fan. So, I guess I needed to drop $1500 bucks to motivate myself - not what I expected from the purchase but I'll take it.
I originally reported that: "I can finally say that I closed a chapter that was effectively open for 1,848 hours (77 days), out of which I got to spend 2 on the TDF Trainer. In all fairness, 5 weeks were spent waiting on the unit, but since they contribute to my frustration I'll count it against the ProForm/iconfitness/TDF Trainer folks."
Timeline:
- Order I placed in August 24th from ProForm (http://www.proform.com) via chat.
- Inquired on September 26th, via Facebook and E-Mail.
- finally shipped September 27th,
- Received October 3rd,
- reported broken October 6th,
- new part finally shipped October 25th,
- November 08th to have it repaired.
- November 28th, reported issue once again.
- November 28th, received response from Andrew Stevens
- November 28th, replied to Andrew Stevens
- Updating blog December 7th -- no response since then.
I originally complained of a loud popping noise the ProForm TDF Trainer was making while moving back and forth on the incline. To help ProForm, or actually iConFitness, diagnose the issue I created this video. It summarized the problem to a point. Within a week of this video, the TDF Trainer seized entirely, and would not incline/decline at all.
The Attempted Fix
After four weeks of reporting the problem, I received an actuator/incline-motor to be replaced. ICONTFITNESS determined that this part was to blame. As I began working on the unit, I kept a video diary of my progress.
The Solution
The popping noise that I recorded in the videos was not the actuator/incline-motor. After taking the unit apart and removing the motor we could swivel the machine back/forth and the pop was the piston the unit is attached to the frame. It was happening with each "rotation" and preventing a smooth incline/decline. It was powerful enough to jam the machine on some rotations. Taking the piston partially apart and putting in some silicone lube solved the issue. The root cause of the problem is an overtorqued right-side bolt that holds the piston in place. We were unable to loosen the right-side bolt, but the left-side bolt did come off. Since that was enough to expose the piston, and that's how we got the lube into the piston.
Overtorquing of screws is also present in the metal bracket that holds the Logic (PCB) Board. In order to get to the electronics, I felt the it should be removed. However, manufacturing used soft aluminum screws and tightened them to a point where the forward screw could not come out. We were prepared to drill it out, but opted to remove the belt and drive wheel instead. That gave access to the console and revealed the connection problem. The wires were simply not plugged in "straight" so over the first couple of weeks of use, it eventually must have popped out far enough to prevent the unit from tilting entirely. In other words, the cable running through the frame was inserted at an angle into the PCB/LogicBoard inside the unit. The cables connecting the telemetry and gears were tight enough, but the side with the cables for the incline motor came loose overtime, and that is why the unit stopped tilting. In my view, it was not a seized motor, but low low standards during assembly. Once properly connected, the plastic will ensure the connector stays put (it would not separate during shipping if it was done right).
That leaves the motor. The motor suffered due to the Jam's of the piston and the bad data it was receiving due to the bad connections, but the motor itself is still functional. We replaced it because it looked worn and, personally, I rather have a new part given the stresses the machine already suffered. However, this was not the cause of the issues nor was it the primary problem. Had the piston and connections not be remedied, the machine would have remained damaged.
There is no doubt in my mind that the manufacturing needs to increase oversight and improve quality control, we were able to document very clear evidence that QC is lacking. If production simply paid more attention to the torque of the bolts and inspected the components, my unit would have been the excellent piece of fitness equipment I expected it to be.
Karl.... i just got mine, and while setup was quite easy and everything seemed fine, it doesn't work. it's not registering that i actually start a ride... after a few seconds, the timer pauses because it thinks i'm not pedaling (even though i am). i checked the magnet and realigned even closer, but still no go. gears switch, etc... so it seems as though the wiring harness is connected correctly. any ideas?
ReplyDeleteI would say it's the same issue I had, the connection is poorly made between console and computer. You have two points of failure
ReplyDelete1) the connectors inside the neck of the unit (the one you had to hook up and cram into the unit.
2) The console connector on the logic board.
I heard of them having bad consoles, but I don't believe it after my ordeal -- I think it's just a frequent quality issue.
If you have the right tools, it's really not a chore to get in there and correct it, just takes some patience and time.
I should have pre-faced the my comments with: Did you update the firmware right from the start AND do a Calibrate Incline to verify it's not responsive. The firmware updates seem to be critical.
ReplyDeletethanks for quick reply! I did update the firmware first.... Even tried resetting the entire unit and then updating again, to no avail. Yes on callibration as well.
ReplyDeletei'm afraid i might have 'pinched' the cable when installing the console... so tried to reinstall, but i didn't undo the connectors. maybe try that this morning.
any idea where/what i should look for inside the bike?
Excellent videos.
ReplyDeleteMy TDF, during a program ride, suddenly inclined to the maximum extent and died. The unit had been used four times. Neither the manual incline switch nor the calibration switch works.
Same problem with tech support. On hold for 30 minutes, told that the problem is the incline motor and surprise, it is out of stock and must be backordered with no idea when it will ship.
Tomgru, I have a different blog about the installing the console; it's one of my first posts about it. I basically removed the four screws holding it together, mounted, and then re-assembled. Shoving it onto the unit was not an option....
ReplyDeleteThe easiest place to do damage is the connector into the neck, because mine could not fit through the hole. Had to force it in... However, that was not my issue.
The first few seconds of me ranting here have the logicboard in view: http://kwjblogs.blogspot.com/2011/11/in-my-view-proform-tdf-trainer-suffers.html?showComment=1321807939731#c725538863029060356 exposes the logic board I am talking about. It's super easy to see the connector. Mine was at an angle, therefore the console could not send commands to the unit. It was barely noticeable that the connector was not on right.
MFB -- that was basically my problem. The way I got support is through FaceBook -- they are trying to minimize bad PR. Post on their wall.
ReplyDeleteGood idea..........
ReplyDeleteWell... i got it working. Mine came with the console already connected to the handlebars, so the only wire harness connection was at the handlebar post. I redid all of this, and think i may have bent a on the larger connection block. seems to work fine now. The only thing i can currently tell that's off is the watts.. they are reading very high.
ReplyDeletecongratulations. how is the bike in terms of your expectations?
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, I go between calling it a "piece of ****" and thinking it's a cool. I continue to have problems with the popping noise, the lube fixed it for a few days. I don't think the product is ready for the market, I think it's gimmicky and very expensive, and the only people who should own it are those willing to deal with it. I also would say this is not for athletes or pro's, it's for people who hate working out (like me).
ReplyDeleteIf you look down at the stand while sitting on the bike, does is look like your bike is turning left? That's how mine looks and it killed the motor. I have a replacement bike coming but on this one, we bent the pivot that the flat end of the screw connects so that it now is aligned with the front pivot. it eliminate the torque that this misalignment was making - so far so good
DeleteMine is not torqued in any direction. It sits properly on the pedestal. The pop still happens because they failed to send someone out and I just did not bother doing it yet. I have a spare tilt-motor and all the parts, and it's not too bad.
DeleteWhat I am starting to notice now is some looseness in the belt and gearing, making me thing that something needs to be tightened. I'll be cracking into it on a few weeks.
I returned my TDF for a full refund after two weeks of use. the TDF is a good concept but it is full of problems and icon fitness has the worst custome service i have ever experienced
ReplyDeleteHello Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteYes, ICON's customer service is terrible. There is little you can do when you are selling a product riddled with problems and no option to be honest with clients. I still have mine, I like it, but I just wait for the next break down. They failed to fix it for me, I've done all the remaining repair work myself.
Karl
DeleteIn the same boat as you. I bought mine in October 2011 and got it a month later. I rode mine 3 times and the incline locked up.
The best way I've found is to camp on their website until their chat window opens up and then ask to be transferred to their customer support chat. Finally, in January my parts show up and a few weeks later the techinician came and said I need a new bikeI. My bike is actually not parallel to the stand and it puts too much stress on the incline. Also, my display would lose all it's setting when you powered it off.
I finally have a 2nd bike coming March 12th. - Can't wait to see what I get but hopefully w/2 sets of parts I can make my own working version.
I am amazed by the quality of precise documentation provided by you on this product. I was looking to buy $1500 worth of Gen2 bike, it looks like awesome product on the outside, seems like to lot of work need to be done fixing the problems, product was released too early into the market and customers having to pay a huge price for a malfunctioning piece. Maybe Proform TDF Gen3 to Gen5, issue may slowly be fixed, in the meantime competitors could enter the market with Google Maps and challenges as in Nike+ running, and beat proform TDF price points and quality. Nike, Inc should take a hard look at indoor Biking market and integrate it with Nike+ running and tracker which is already in place.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the kind words. It's quirky for sure and you can tell they are pushing them. They take the half-ass product now rather than the "half-product" approach that generally works best. They should have done the ifit first, then Gen 2 could have had incline, etc...
DeleteI think any company that builds a bike with a portion of the features here will do better than this thing.
However, the good news is I am way more active, exercise more, and found a very ancillary benefit to this thing. As it sits in my bedroom and I look at it, it makes me either ride it OR go running. I cannot just sit on the couch these days because it's an ever present reminder that I have to exercise. So, I am in better shape than I was a year ago, and for that I am grateful.